how are the obamas affecting it? >> well, it's still not reputed as the fashion center of the world. people in washington have to dress carefully because most people who work here are working in the government or something to do with the government and a lot of them are politicians who go and travel outside the country. and so you really can't sort of dress over the top here or at least most people who are in official situations. michelle obama has taken her style just to the right edge, i think. she's a little bit different, a little quirky sometimes. always very stylish. always looks very glamorous in her clothes. she takes risks which i like. and she dresses very youthfully and she dresses in american designer clothes which i also think is a great idea. but she's more informal than a lot of first ladies. she's not wearing the sort of little buttoned up st. john's suits, she's wearing skirts and sweaters and i think that she's dressing exactly right for this moment, that people are not -- >> larry: well said. >> pe